Comments on: Chernobyl Household Nuclear Generator http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:15:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Kjernekraft til folket « Plausible Fremtider http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-84755 Kjernekraft til folket « Plausible Fremtider Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:05:32 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-84755 [...] Kjernekraft til folket Reklame for private kjernekraftverk - bestill via TV-Shop før oljekrisen setter inn. Les mer på Pink Tentacle. [...] […] Kjernekraft til folket Reklame for private kjernekraftverk - bestill via TV-Shop før oljekrisen setter inn. Les mer på Pink Tentacle. […]

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By: Japundit » I Want One of These! http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-65192 Japundit » I Want One of These! Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:00:20 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-65192 [...] want one! While doing a routine Web search for information on home nuclear power systems, Pink Tentacle came across this scan of a 1980s print ad for a possibly imaginary device called the Chernobyl [...] […] want one! While doing a routine Web search for information on home nuclear power systems, Pink Tentacle came across this scan of a 1980s print ad for a possibly imaginary device called the Chernobyl […]

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By: Un piccolo reattore nucleare per casalinghe http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-63633 Un piccolo reattore nucleare per casalinghe Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:42:50 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-63633 [...] chiedetemi di tradurre dal giapponese, però ringraziatemi per questa chicca scovata su Pinktentacle dove si interrogano a vuoto sul senso di questa [...] […] chiedetemi di tradurre dal giapponese, però ringraziatemi per questa chicca scovata su Pinktentacle dove si interrogano a vuoto sul senso di questa […]

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By: PIXELPIRE.DE | Portfolio & Weblog von Kai Gossel » Blog Archive » Die 80er http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62774 PIXELPIRE.DE | Portfolio & Weblog von Kai Gossel » Blog Archive » Die 80er Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:34:06 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62774 [...] 80ern waren die Erwartungen in die Atomenergie sehr hoch. Ich wette, dass fast jeder einen “Chernobyl Household Nuclear Generator” damals haben wollte. - Geschrieben am 24.06.2007 um 14:33 Uhr - Abgelegt in [...] […] 80ern waren die Erwartungen in die Atomenergie sehr hoch. Ich wette, dass fast jeder einen “Chernobyl Household Nuclear Generator” damals haben wollte. - Geschrieben am 24.06.2007 um 14:33 Uhr - Abgelegt in […]

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By: Bill http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62532 Bill Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:28:18 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62532 Those ex-Soviet RTGs produced only a few amperes of current, but used fuel pucks with a surface temperature of hundreds of degrees F and a radiation flux of several hundred R/hour. Not something you will be handling with only a pair of gloves (or tongs!) Those ex-Soviet RTGs produced only a few amperes of current, but used fuel pucks with a surface temperature of hundreds of degrees F and a radiation flux of several hundred R/hour.

Not something you will be handling with only a pair of gloves (or tongs!)

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By: Ian http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62503 Ian Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:42:35 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62503 Hi Jim, I went to your site -- it's nice to see I'm not the only person who thinks Linear No-Threshold is a joke. Hi Jim, I went to your site — it’s nice to see I’m not the only person who thinks Linear No-Threshold is a joke.

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By: Rames http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62492 Rames Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:09:09 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62492 Really.. it's great...how did thez made it... it's bad... =( Really.. it’s great…how did thez made it… it’s bad… =(

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By: Jim http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62474 Jim Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:05:19 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62474 We just need a beta- or alpha-decay radionuclide with negligible gammas. The fatal flaw in the ad is to buy fuel rods in a 3-pack, while indicating that you use one at a time. It should use 3 rods, replacing the oldest with a fresh one every 2 or 6 months – which depends on the intent of the “for 6 months” claim. (This would depend on the regulatory basis for a short enough half-life to dispose of a source in household trash without concern about release and exposure.) If the fresh rod goes thru, say, 4 half-lives before another fresh charge, the source rod removed has already gone thru 12 half-lives. :-) This would have to have a lot of decay heat to do this as an RTG (radioisotope thermoelectric generator - as used on spacecraft and remote locations for beacons, and on the ocean floor to power surveillance equipment, etc.), but there should be alternatives – and some of the heat would be used directly for water, home heating, etc. There also needs to be ways to levelize home electricity use, including storage – which could be done by storing hydrogen for your vehicle fuel cell in a load-following mode (or your lawnmower or other fuel cell apps) unless the car is total electric; or feed the grid (run your electric meter backwards) like current home solar/wind apps do now; etc. :-) On another aspect of the ad, I’d think that (at least initially) a service company would come around, like a propane company at my mother’s house, to add the fresh rod and remove the depleted rod, which could even be a neutron-activated source that would go back into a reactor! :-) [OTOH, we could use Sr-90 (plus Y-90, with beta decay and no gammas) and 4 half-lives would be 120 years :-)] We just need a beta- or alpha-decay radionuclide with negligible gammas.

The fatal flaw in the ad is to buy fuel rods in a 3-pack, while indicating that you use one at a time. It should use 3 rods, replacing the oldest with a fresh one every 2 or 6 months – which depends on the intent of the “for 6 months” claim. (This would depend on the regulatory basis for a short enough half-life to dispose of a source in household trash without concern about release and exposure.)

If the fresh rod goes thru, say, 4 half-lives before another fresh charge, the source rod removed has already gone thru 12 half-lives. :-)

This would have to have a lot of decay heat to do this as an RTG (radioisotope thermoelectric generator - as used on spacecraft and remote locations for beacons, and on the ocean floor to power surveillance equipment, etc.), but there should be alternatives – and some of the heat would be used directly for water, home heating, etc.

There also needs to be ways to levelize home electricity use, including storage – which could be done by storing hydrogen for your vehicle fuel cell in a load-following mode (or your lawnmower or other fuel cell apps) unless the car is total electric; or feed the grid (run your electric meter backwards) like current home solar/wind apps do now; etc. :-)

On another aspect of the ad, I’d think that (at least initially) a service company would come around, like a propane company at my mother’s house, to add the fresh rod and remove the depleted rod, which could even be a neutron-activated source that would go back into a reactor! :-)

[OTOH, we could use Sr-90 (plus Y-90, with beta decay and no gammas) and 4 half-lives would be 120 years :-)]

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By: Lo Último en Tecnologia - Tecnoadeptos.com http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62472 Lo Último en Tecnologia - Tecnoadeptos.com Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:03:13 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62472 [...] Read | Permalink | Email this | Linking Blogs | Comments [...] […] Read | Permalink | Email this | Linking Blogs | Comments […]

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By: Atomreaktor für den Hausgebrauch http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62453 Atomreaktor für den Hausgebrauch Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:53:44 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62453 [...] wurde der Reaktor nämlich als technisches Meisterwerk gesehen. Die Übersetung gibt es hier. Ähnliche [...] […] wurde der Reaktor nämlich als technisches Meisterwerk gesehen. Die Übersetung gibt es hier. Ähnliche […]

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By: Izzy http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62396 Izzy Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:20:54 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62396 lol It looks like a space heater. I wonder if it keeps the room warm. lol It looks like a space heater. I wonder if it keeps the room warm.

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By: Ian http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62376 Ian Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:31:45 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62376 You should check your facts. The reactors at Chernobyl were Реактор Большой Мощности Канальный types -- RBMK. Everyone knew these reactors were fundamentally unsound because of the physics, moderator, positive void coefficient, coolant loop, and most importantly, lack of containment building because of the size of the reactor. In fact, this reactor design was banned in the US in 1950. Why did they build them in the USSR? Easy: the reactor design is for "dual-use." To acquire Pu-239, needed for modern nuclear weapons. The RBMK allowed the fuel rods to be removed for separation of the plutonium during the short time window it was accessible (neutron poisons and other changes made it unusable after longer of operation.) The machinery to do this prevented the containment structure. As such, no one would ever suggest Chernobyl was a model reactor. You should check your facts. The reactors at Chernobyl were Реактор Большой Мощности Канальный types — RBMK. Everyone knew these reactors were fundamentally unsound because of the physics, moderator, positive void coefficient, coolant loop, and most importantly, lack of containment building because of the size of the reactor. In fact, this reactor design was banned in the US in 1950. Why did they build them in the USSR? Easy: the reactor design is for “dual-use.” To acquire Pu-239, needed for modern nuclear weapons. The RBMK allowed the fuel rods to be removed for separation of the plutonium during the short time window it was accessible (neutron poisons and other changes made it unusable after longer of operation.) The machinery to do this prevented the containment structure.

As such, no one would ever suggest Chernobyl was a model reactor.

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By: Nakata http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62350 Nakata Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:20:57 +0000 http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/chernobyl-household-nuclear-generator/#comment-62350 The disclaimer on the bottom right says the company and product are fictional, but it does NOT say it is a JOKE. It only looks like a joke to us now because of what happened at Chernobyl. It is possible this was made before the Chernobyl accident, making it something other than a joke (even if it is pure fiction). Maybe if you knew what that stuffed animal thing was on the refrigerator door? That might help you put a date on this... The disclaimer on the bottom right says the company and product are fictional, but it does NOT say it is a JOKE. It only looks like a joke to us now because of what happened at Chernobyl. It is possible this was made before the Chernobyl accident, making it something other than a joke (even if it is pure fiction). Maybe if you knew what that stuffed animal thing was on the refrigerator door? That might help you put a date on this…

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