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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;World&#8217;s smallest&#8221; gas turbine engine</title>
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		<title>By: TC Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-234158</link>
		<author>TC Williams</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want one of these. I am almost afraid to ask...how much? Is it even possible for one to be sold to me? Serious inquiry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want one of these. I am almost afraid to ask&#8230;how much? Is it even possible for one to be sold to me? Serious inquiry!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-218101</link>
		<author>Peter Palmer</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-218101</guid>
		<description>The great thing about it is the rotor for the generator is already in the box. Should be pretty cheap building the whole thing (compared to other turbines of that size that is). But...
Did I remember right that these things get pretty hot? Wasn't there a problem with static magnets and high temperature? How is that solved?

Where does the combustion chamber go again?

That sounds like I can generate 2kW in less space than the alternator of my car? I am not surprised they still have to catch up on that part :o)

Promising though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about it is the rotor for the generator is already in the box. Should be pretty cheap building the whole thing (compared to other turbines of that size that is). But&#8230;<br />
Did I remember right that these things get pretty hot? Wasn&#8217;t there a problem with static magnets and high temperature? How is that solved?</p>
<p>Where does the combustion chamber go again?</p>
<p>That sounds like I can generate 2kW in less space than the alternator of my car? I am not surprised they still have to catch up on that part :o)</p>
<p>Promising though.</p>
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		<title>By: 日本开发出世界最小燃气涡轮引擎 &#124; BTBT</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-120239</link>
		<author>日本开发出世界最小燃气涡轮引擎 &#124; BTBT</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Todd LLoyd</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-118367</link>
		<author>Todd LLoyd</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-118367</guid>
		<description>If this is the "Worlds Smallest..." could you share your source. Is it in the Guinness Book Of World Records or something?

Regards,
Todd Lloyd
http://portablegeneratorinformation.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is the &#8220;Worlds Smallest&#8230;&#8221; could you share your source. Is it in the Guinness Book Of World Records or something?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Todd Lloyd<br />
<a href="http://portablegeneratorinformation.com" rel="nofollow">http://portablegeneratorinformation.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: nhoj</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-117017</link>
		<author>nhoj</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-117017</guid>
		<description>How did the unvieling go at PowerMEMs 2007?  How about posting a youtube of the thing running, and by all means get this thing to produce some electricity.  One more thing, could you publish details on horsepower, heat produced, fuel type, and fuel consumption rate at max rpm?  Those details should not divulge your research I wouldnt think.

Thanks in advance,
j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the unvieling go at PowerMEMs 2007?  How about posting a youtube of the thing running, and by all means get this thing to produce some electricity.  One more thing, could you publish details on horsepower, heat produced, fuel type, and fuel consumption rate at max rpm?  Those details should not divulge your research I wouldnt think.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance,<br />
j</p>
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		<title>By: j3mm@</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-112921</link>
		<author>j3mm@</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-112921</guid>
		<description>thats tiny lol x0x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats tiny lol x0x</p>
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		<title>By: Ron van Sommeren</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-81813</link>
		<author>Ron van Sommeren</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-81813</guid>
		<description>@Brian
http://www.amtjets.com -&#62; specifications

There are several manufacturers, see 
www.airtoi.com -&#62; jets 
or check out this forum, pulsejets and turbines:
http://www.pulse-jets.com/

Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian<br />
<a href="http://www.amtjets.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amtjets.com</a> -&gt; specifications</p>
<p>There are several manufacturers, see<br />
<a href="http://www.airtoi.com" rel="nofollow">www.airtoi.com</a> -&gt; jets<br />
or check out this forum, pulsejets and turbines:<br />
<a href="http://www.pulse-jets.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pulse-jets.com/</a></p>
<p>Ron van Sommeren<br />
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands</p>
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		<title>By: Hello Moto</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80208</link>
		<author>Hello Moto</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80208</guid>
		<description>RC, I agree with you on several of your points, but the last one is not correct. Engines do have a 'power density' which refers to the power (rated in HP or watts) that the engine can produce at a given weight. Gas-turbines have generally been known to have a higher power density the other engines such as the ICE you find your car.

If ICE had better power densities than turbines then they would still be on most airplanes.

One thing about gas turbines: These engines have a limited range of power and a very high use of fuel during idle. As such they could be very useful for hybrid type designs but for sticking in something like a wheelchair would be very bad as they would constantly have to start and stop or waste a lot of fuel idling.

Ah - last thing: I don't know the exact size but RC jet engines have recently become available which are gas-turbines and they don't look much larger than this, are you sure it’s a world record or did the company just assume it was like all the electronic companies do (such as when they say "world's largest screen!" even though their competitor released on several inches larger the week before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC, I agree with you on several of your points, but the last one is not correct. Engines do have a &#8216;power density&#8217; which refers to the power (rated in HP or watts) that the engine can produce at a given weight. Gas-turbines have generally been known to have a higher power density the other engines such as the ICE you find your car.</p>
<p>If ICE had better power densities than turbines then they would still be on most airplanes.</p>
<p>One thing about gas turbines: These engines have a limited range of power and a very high use of fuel during idle. As such they could be very useful for hybrid type designs but for sticking in something like a wheelchair would be very bad as they would constantly have to start and stop or waste a lot of fuel idling.</p>
<p>Ah - last thing: I don&#8217;t know the exact size but RC jet engines have recently become available which are gas-turbines and they don&#8217;t look much larger than this, are you sure it’s a world record or did the company just assume it was like all the electronic companies do (such as when they say &#8220;world&#8217;s largest screen!&#8221; even though their competitor released on several inches larger the week before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Coffey</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80186</link>
		<author>Brian Coffey</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80186</guid>
		<description>This is very cool - I can't wait for continued development of these small turbines. I want to use a ~10 kW model as an auxiliary power unit in a series hybrid, but it seems like this order of magnitude has been skipped in favor of more impressive miniaturization.

@RC: There actually is such a thing as power density, and it turns out to be an especially important metric in weight sensitive applications. A thing's power density is its output (say, in Watts) divided by its mass (say, in kg). You may be surprised to learn that it makes no sense to speak of a fuel's power density, since a fuel by itself doesn't make any power. A few minutes on wikipedia could go a long way toward futhering your understanding of energy and power.

Brian Coffey
Vehicle Design Summit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very cool - I can&#8217;t wait for continued development of these small turbines. I want to use a ~10 kW model as an auxiliary power unit in a series hybrid, but it seems like this order of magnitude has been skipped in favor of more impressive miniaturization.</p>
<p>@RC: There actually is such a thing as power density, and it turns out to be an especially important metric in weight sensitive applications. A thing&#8217;s power density is its output (say, in Watts) divided by its mass (say, in kg). You may be surprised to learn that it makes no sense to speak of a fuel&#8217;s power density, since a fuel by itself doesn&#8217;t make any power. A few minutes on wikipedia could go a long way toward futhering your understanding of energy and power.</p>
<p>Brian Coffey<br />
Vehicle Design Summit</p>
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		<title>By: mjag17</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80123</link>
		<author>mjag17</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The microturbine project team at MIT doesn't have a working prototype yet... Although on the note of smallest, I do remember another tiny turbine by a swiss team I think, and another by M-Dot? can't remember the details but both seemed to fit in the palm of one's hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The microturbine project team at MIT doesn&#8217;t have a working prototype yet&#8230; Although on the note of smallest, I do remember another tiny turbine by a swiss team I think, and another by M-Dot? can&#8217;t remember the details but both seemed to fit in the palm of one&#8217;s hand.</p>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/08/worlds-smallest-gas-turbine-engine/#comment-80095</link>
		<author>RC</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Not even close to the world's smallest.  That honor probably belongs to MIT's tiny turbine:  &lt;a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/microengines.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/microengines.html&lt;/a&gt;

2) WTF are "battery-powered" engines?  Do you perhaps mean electric motors, powered by batteries?

3) Electric motors can be powered for as long as "fuel" is supplied, but few tasks are important enough to necessitate hot-swappable batteries.  In fact they can run indefinitely, unlike turbines, which need to be taken off-line for periodic maintenance. 

4) Turbines being "cleaner than reciprocating piston engines" is not necessarily true.  Turbo diesel engines can get very high efficiency.  Turbines hold the record, but that's not necessarily the case across the range of possible form factors, fuels, and operating conditions.

5) There is no such thing as turbine or fuel cell "power density."  It makes no sense.  Fuels, not engines, have properties of power density.  Hydrogen is less dense than any other fuel (in fact any form of matter), but fuel cells can run on fuels other than hydrogen.  More than that, power density isn't an important metric at all, for any purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Not even close to the world&#8217;s smallest.  That honor probably belongs to MIT&#8217;s tiny turbine:  <a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/microengines.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/microengines.html</a></p>
<p>2) WTF are &#8220;battery-powered&#8221; engines?  Do you perhaps mean electric motors, powered by batteries?</p>
<p>3) Electric motors can be powered for as long as &#8220;fuel&#8221; is supplied, but few tasks are important enough to necessitate hot-swappable batteries.  In fact they can run indefinitely, unlike turbines, which need to be taken off-line for periodic maintenance. </p>
<p>4) Turbines being &#8220;cleaner than reciprocating piston engines&#8221; is not necessarily true.  Turbo diesel engines can get very high efficiency.  Turbines hold the record, but that&#8217;s not necessarily the case across the range of possible form factors, fuels, and operating conditions.</p>
<p>5) There is no such thing as turbine or fuel cell &#8220;power density.&#8221;  It makes no sense.  Fuels, not engines, have properties of power density.  Hydrogen is less dense than any other fuel (in fact any form of matter), but fuel cells can run on fuels other than hydrogen.  More than that, power density isn&#8217;t an important metric at all, for any purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Six inch gas turbine engine</title>
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		<author>Six inch gas turbine engine</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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